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#36 Kris

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 03:26 PM

Just b/c you can have a child doesnt mean you should...it is a privilege not a right,


Actually having children IS a right not a privilege. No one can legally tell you you can't have kids

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 06:43 PM

To me personally, jobs that require drug testing are ones that require you to work with vulnerable populations, etc. You don't get drug testing for working at McDs! I do not think on any ethical or moral level, that this would be right.

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 09:57 PM


Just b/c you can have a child doesnt mean you should...it is a privilege not a right,


Actually having children IS a right not a privilege. No one can legally tell you you can't have kids



just because you can have kids doesnt mean you should be
if you are on welfare you shouldnt be allowed to keep having kids unless you get off welfare and support them yourself

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 10:40 PM

Welfare certainly isnt enough money to buy any drugs with,so really its a non issue.Perhaps we are all concerned that all that blowjob money to get the drugs is going unreported??now theres welfare fraud....
seriously...i dont care how many kids people have,or how much drugs they do,or how much alcohol they buy on welfare.sometimes people need to go on it,but most are smart enough to see it as a stepping stone back to a life they previously,or hope to enjoy.the hand up so to speak.The welfare line consists of all people from all walks of life.I can sit here on my throne and say it will never be me,or these people are users....maybe they are,maybe they arent.All I give a shit about is that welfare provides for kids,the disabled,the disadvantaged,and heck the addicted.You have to do what you need to do to raise a family.If someone wants to spend the rest of their life being scrutinized by someone in a cubicle...then let them.Most of the smart ones get off,and stay off
The govnt money used to test people should be used to create jobs,and bolster our economy.By kicking out the addicts,all who will suffer are the children,and when we have to pay to bury these people after they have burned out,or starve to death....there will be no money saved.
I may not be a socialist,but we def have to take care of those less fortunate.Its what jesus wished us to do...buddha,maybe even mohammed.....
I think the US has just run out of money,so they are looking to get rid of anyone they can.Boy do I feel all warm and fuzzy about the current state of that country!

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Posted 29 July 2011 - 10:47 PM



Just b/c you can have a child doesnt mean you should...it is a privilege not a right,


Actually having children IS a right not a privilege. No one can legally tell you you can't have kids



just because you can have kids doesnt mean you should be
if you are on welfare you shouldnt be allowed to keep having kids unless you get off welfare and support them yourself



perhaps more education in regards to birth control,abortion,and adoption options is something we need to really need to push on young kids so they can make the decisions that are right for them.People arent going to tax a system if there are opportunities for them to achieve elsewhere.Problem is a place like windsor breeds boredom and malcontent.What else can u expect from youth who havent been given options,and have only seen a perpetual cycle
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 08:55 AM

I agree Hunnybunches. The reality is that many many of us are 1-2 paycheques away from needing assistance. We shouldn't judge- it may take 1 or 2 life crises to put any of us in this position. And I'm pretty sure no one woke up this morning thinking today seems like a good day to become a junkie.
I think Lisa is right-- the US economy is on the brink of total collapse. Soon they won't have the money to pay out all the assistance cheques needed. If that happens they have way bigger problems than worrying if someone on welfare is buying drugs.
And sterilizing-- really? Cause that seems like a good idea. Seems like many of you will be very happy in the military state that is fast approaching

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 10:41 AM

I agree Hunnybunches. The reality is that many many of us are 1-2 paycheques away from needing assistance. We shouldn't judge- it may take 1 or 2 life crises to put any of us in this position. And I'm pretty sure no one woke up this morning thinking today seems like a good day to become a junkie.
I think Lisa is right-- the US economy is on the brink of total collapse. Soon they won't have the money to pay out all the assistance cheques needed. If that happens they have way bigger problems than worrying if someone on welfare is buying drugs.
And sterilizing-- really? Cause that seems like a good idea. Seems like many of you will be very happy in the military state that is fast approaching


Thank you!! I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 10:52 AM

For all of you who think you can't live & live well off welfare let me tell you that you are WRONG!!!!!! I am going to divulge personal info on here that will probably blow some people's minds but for the purpose of this debate I think some of you need persepective. Recently my hubby lost his job. He applied for unemlpoyment there were issues with the paperowrk filled out by his employer & after 2 months we had exhauseted all our $$ which was not much as we were scraping by living on my part time job. My kids needed meds & my benefits had not kicked in we applied for welfare we were accepted but told that for the 1st 3 months they would deduct my entire wages from what we were eligable for. At this point the most important was the prescription coverage & any $$ would help & we hoped to ahve the unemployment situatuon resolved to get off welfare asap. So he was eligable for a family of 6 For $1900 and something per month. They took my 1250 I earned off of that so we got $600 for the month. Not much but it helped & unemployment did get resolved. Had it not however here is how the situation would have played out.... after 3 months they would begin to only take 1/2 my wages off of his welfare benefits so then we would have gotten $1225 per month plus my part taime earnings of $1250 per month. but after 6 months they would no longer count my part time earnings against us so at that point he would have taken in $1900 and soemthing per month plus my $1250 per month & if my income increased it would no longer matter as we had already proven our need for welfare so I could ahve made as much as I wanted this is FACT. So if I went full time & earned $2500 per month then we took in the welfare $$ we would ahve made $4500 per month tell me people can't live well off that!!!

As for drug testing I am all for it & if you test + you should be given a choice to go to rehab & come out with a plan & benefits from welfare or to be cut off. Shooting up is a choice you can also choose to continue it or to get help.

As for sterilization I do NOT agree with that. However I do think if you are on welfare & have 1 child on it so be it things happen. If you continue to have children on it then you should be given a timeline to get off it.

I do not think everyone on it is abusing it but I do think we do have to put a stop to those who are trying to abuse it or things will only get worse there have to be control measures put into place.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 12:39 PM

For all of you who think you can't live & live well off welfare let me tell you that you are WRONG!!!!!! I am going to divulge personal info on here that will probably blow some people's minds but for the purpose of this debate I think some of you need persepective. Recently my hubby lost his job. He applied for unemlpoyment there were issues with the paperowrk filled out by his employer & after 2 months we had exhauseted all our $$ which was not much as we were scraping by living on my part time job. My kids needed meds & my benefits had not kicked in we applied for welfare we were accepted but told that for the 1st 3 months they would deduct my entire wages from what we were eligable for. At this point the most important was the prescription coverage & any $$ would help & we hoped to ahve the unemployment situatuon resolved to get off welfare asap. So he was eligable for a family of 6 For $1900 and something per month. They took my 1250 I earned off of that so we got $600 for the month. Not much but it helped & unemployment did get resolved. Had it not however here is how the situation would have played out.... after 3 months they would begin to only take 1/2 my wages off of his welfare benefits so then we would have gotten $1225 per month plus my part taime earnings of $1250 per month. but after 6 months they would no longer count my part time earnings against us so at that point he would have taken in $1900 and soemthing per month plus my $1250 per month & if my income increased it would no longer matter as we had already proven our need for welfare so I could ahve made as much as I wanted this is FACT. So if I went full time & earned $2500 per month then we took in the welfare $$ we would ahve made $4500 per month tell me people can't live well off that!!!

As for drug testing I am all for it & if you test + you should be given a choice to go to rehab & come out with a plan & benefits from welfare or to be cut off. Shooting up is a choice you can also choose to continue it or to get help.

As for sterilization I do NOT agree with that. However I do think if you are on welfare & have 1 child on it so be it things happen. If you continue to have children on it then you should be given a timeline to get off it.

I do not think everyone on it is abusing it but I do think we do have to put a stop to those who are trying to abuse it or things will only get worse there have to be control measures put into place.


I'm glad welfare is there for those that actually need the help. I'm not glad that people use it as their full time job. I bust my ass 40+ hours a week to provide for my family and give my son the best life I can. Why should they be any different?? If you NEED it for a couple months until you get back on your feet, then thats great, but to never show any signs of getting off of it and trying to better yourself is wrong.

Obviously welfare people are not going to be sterilized... It was an expression. My point was if you are on welfare stop procreating until you can fully support them without the use of tax money. If you already have children, that is a different story, but the more and more kids you have AFTER being on it only puts a burden on society. It's not fair to the children to have to grow up that way.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 12:44 PM

I agree Hunnybunches. The reality is that many many of us are 1-2 paycheques away from needing assistance. We shouldn't judge- it may take 1 or 2 life crises to put any of us in this position.



i am not talking about the people out there that really need the help thats what welfare is there for
i am talking about the welfare mamas's that keep popping out the kids and have no intention of getting a job there are more interested in welfare as a career

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 01:45 PM

But don't you think the problem then is from the gov'n end? When people on welfare are making more than people working full time? It becomes a much bigger issue when someone can live better off of welfare then getting a job. Why would you get off it then-- to put your kids in daycare and work at Tim Horton's for min wage?? There's no incentive to get off it
The gap between the rich and the working poor is too far apart right now. Costs of everything are going up, but wages are not. A change needs to happen- and that has to come from govn end.And we are talking about the US. Their economy is in grave danger and when they go into default there will be WAY more people in line for doleouts which they won't be able to pay.

Edited by Lasergirl, 30 July 2011 - 01:49 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2011 - 01:57 PM

I totally agree Lasergirl & the point of my post was to prove that there is no incentive to get off of welfare. Therefore why get clean when you can get so much off welfare & it is more then you can get working. Also why stop having babies & get off welfare when it pays that kind of $$. This is why there are so many who lie about being married & stay on welfare while their spouse works.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 03:58 PM

1900$ for a family of 6?

I have no idea how your income WOULDN'T count at all? I have a friend who works for social services, so I'll ask her for the run down on that, because I really don't understand. I know last year we did start the application.. our family of 4 would have gotten 990$ for ALL of us. We had no other income at all and we have a mortgage that is 681$. So that would have left us with $309 for everything else. Bills, food, gas, clothing, etc, etc, etc.

I have no idea how they would have let you guys have SO much more with only 2 more people?? This makes no sense at all to me. Luckily we never had to get to that point, but it was so close it was not even funny.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 04:27 PM

Our morg on our house is $1200 so we were allowed the maximum for houseing. We ahve 2 more family members then you do. We ahve one family member with a special diet so therefore we got like an extra $190 for food as well.

Also if you read that my income would count for the first 6 months but it would nto count after the 1st 6 months. This is how it was explained to us. Thankfull we only used it for 1 month while unemployment got figured out & even then they then took the $600 they gave us back from us because we qualified for unemployement.

Edited by scrappy survivor, 30 July 2011 - 04:28 PM.