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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:27 AM

Lynn Martin will be talking about this today. Wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the movement and what they're trying to accomplish.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:33 AM

I am not sure what the topic is...lol

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:34 AM

I know what the topic is from world news but I didn't know there was any movement to have something in Windsor.

eta -- ok so I guess I missed it and any amount of "organization" of the cause.

Edited by terbear, 17 October 2011 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:43 AM

ok, well someone explain it to me, or post a link... I am aware of alot of news... i try to stay informed... but i guess i didnt see this... cuz i have no clue what its about.. lol

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:17 AM

In general I think the whole "Occupy..." movement is silly and ridiculous. I believe there are a few people who have a real cause and purpose, but I haven't seen that many people do. It seems that it is mostly gatherings of disgruntled people who are unhappy that some people have more money than them, and those people actually want to keep their money. There are some cases of genuine corruption that people are unhappy about, but I'm not sure what a protest is going to do to change what has already happened and already been publicized. I don't want a country where everyone is financially equal, regardless of education, drive, creativity and work ethic.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:34 AM

It makes more sense to me happening in the states than here. I do believe there is corruption everywhere but in Canada, we are in a socialist system. If you don't make a lot, you are very well compensated by the government to help make ends meet. I also believe that amidst the corrupt evildoers who are making lots of money, there are many more people who have worked their asses off to get where they're at. They worked hard and now are reaping the benefits of that hard work. In Canada, they already *do* have to share some of that. Where do people think the tax dollars go? To the government. The same government who puts money into welfare, social assistance programs, etc. etc. Inadvertently, these individuals *are* sharing their wealth in Canada. And I'm not knocking those who use these provisions. It just seems a little off to me if they are the same people occupying for change. Baffles me, really.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:40 AM

In general I think the whole "Occupy..." movement is silly and ridiculous. I believe there are a few people who have a real cause and purpose, but I haven't seen that many people do. It seems that it is mostly gatherings of disgruntled people who are unhappy that some people have more money than them, and those people actually want to keep their money. There are some cases of genuine corruption that people are unhappy about, but I'm not sure what a protest is going to do to change what has already happened and already been publicized. I don't want a country where everyone is financially equal, regardless of education, drive, creativity and work ethic.


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Posted 17 October 2011 - 09:01 AM

In general I think the whole "Occupy..." movement is silly and ridiculous. I believe there are a few people who have a real cause and purpose, but I haven't seen that many people do. It seems that it is mostly gatherings of disgruntled people who are unhappy that some people have more money than them, and those people actually want to keep their money. There are some cases of genuine corruption that people are unhappy about, but I'm not sure what a protest is going to do to change what has already happened and already been publicized. I don't want a country where everyone is financially equal, regardless of education, drive, creativity and work ethic.



It makes more sense to me happening in the states than here. I do believe there is corruption everywhere but in Canada, we are in a socialist system. If you don't make a lot, you are very well compensated by the government to help make ends meet. I also believe that amidst the corrupt evildoers who are making lots of money, there are many more people who have worked their asses off to get where they're at. They worked hard and now are reaping the benefits of that hard work. In Canada, they already *do* have to share some of that. Where do people think the tax dollars go? To the government. The same government who puts money into welfare, social assistance programs, etc. etc. Inadvertently, these individuals *are* sharing their wealth in Canada. And I'm not knocking those who use these provisions. It just seems a little off to me if they are the same people occupying for change. Baffles me, really.


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Posted 17 October 2011 - 09:13 AM

The real underlying movement is to end the Fed (in the US anyways). It is much more about corporate greed than gov'n. The entire banking system is up shits creek, but the US would rather point the finger 'over there' and ignore their troubles over here.
This is happening all over the world- but is missing alot of the major news coverage. It is a small revolution in the works years in the making. I am very interested to see where it goes

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 10:05 AM

In general I think the whole "Occupy..." movement is silly and ridiculous. I believe there are a few people who have a real cause and purpose, but I haven't seen that many people do. It seems that it is mostly gatherings of disgruntled people who are unhappy that some people have more money than them, and those people actually want to keep their money. There are some cases of genuine corruption that people are unhappy about, but I'm not sure what a protest is going to do to change what has already happened and already been publicized. I don't want a country where everyone is financially equal, regardless of education, drive, creativity and work ethic.


This is my thought too. I actually laughed reading some of the protestor comments. It seems many are either poorly schooled in how our government is run or are just your typical pro-union, anti-harper, extreemist, bandwagon bunnies. Its one thing to b*tch about our system being old and antiquated, but have we really moved and changed with the times? The days of making $30+/hr with little to no education are a thing of the past. In Canada we should feel lucky for the support and aid we do get because its a lot more than some of our neighbors. b*tching about a lack of vision or dental coverage, paid tuition and higher welfare is not selling me on this, nor is complaining that the government is out to only support the rich which is totally false and completely ridiculous.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:42 PM

Stick it to the puppet masters who control the system: Occupy Sesame Street!

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 09:49 PM

The real underlying movement is to end the Fed (in the US anyways). It is much more about corporate greed than gov'n. The entire banking system is up shits creek, but the US would rather point the finger 'over there' and ignore their troubles over here.
This is happening all over the world- but is missing alot of the major news coverage. It is a small revolution in the works years in the making. I am very interested to see where it goes


I agree with this, but what most of you don't realize is that this is NOT just about the USA. There are corruptions involving world banks that, yes, are centralized in the USA, but because of their massively calculated plans for their own greedy agendas, have caused recessions in the entire world, which affect ALL OF US. It's hard to explain, but if anyone is interested in actually educating themselves on how this has happened, I suggest watching "Inside Job". It's a documentary which explains a lot and I'm sure anyone can learn from it. It's on Netflix if any of you have it. This 'occupy' movement was actually started in Egypt where they were successful in making changes, and it's going on around the world, not just in the USA. Like Lasergirl said, it's missing all kinds of news coverage, as anything is that could possibly cause an uprising in the people against massive corporations and the government.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 12:37 AM


In general I think the whole "Occupy..." movement is silly and ridiculous. I believe there are a few people who have a real cause and purpose, but I haven't seen that many people do. It seems that it is mostly gatherings of disgruntled people who are unhappy that some people have more money than them, and those people actually want to keep their money. There are some cases of genuine corruption that people are unhappy about, but I'm not sure what a protest is going to do to change what has already happened and already been publicized. I don't want a country where everyone is financially equal, regardless of education, drive, creativity and work ethic.



It makes more sense to me happening in the states than here. I do believe there is corruption everywhere but in Canada, we are in a socialist system. If you don't make a lot, you are very well compensated by the government to help make ends meet. I also believe that amidst the corrupt evildoers who are making lots of money, there are many more people who have worked their asses off to get where they're at. They worked hard and now are reaping the benefits of that hard work. In Canada, they already *do* have to share some of that. Where do people think the tax dollars go? To the government. The same government who puts money into welfare, social assistance programs, etc. etc. Inadvertently, these individuals *are* sharing their wealth in Canada. And I'm not knocking those who use these provisions. It just seems a little off to me if they are the same people occupying for change. Baffles me, really.


both good posts!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'll second that.

The wealthy reinvest their wealth, so with their high taxes and the jobs sustained and created with their investments they are doing twice the average joe's contribution to society.

It's mind-boggling that there are people who want them punished for that, when it will hurt us all.

Mind you I'm not talking about the upper-middle class, but those with the capital that continously provides support in multiple fashions.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:18 AM

We are not talking about just general wealth-- we are huge wealth- like Rothchild wealth. The handful of people at the top that run the world. The people who have so much money that they corrupt the world from the top down because they have the money to buy anything and anyone. And if you don't believe that greed and and corruption exist- look up Monsanto.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:40 AM

The wealthy reinvest their wealth, so with their high taxes and the jobs sustained and created with their investments they are doing twice the average joe's contribution to society.

It's mind-boggling that there are people who want them punished for that, when it will hurt us all.


I highly suggest you watch the documentary I talked about in my first post. Once you understand how the world banks and the few people in the world who control the world's $$$ work, I don't think you'll have the same opinion.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:47 AM



The wealthy reinvest their wealth, so with their high taxes and the jobs sustained and created with their investments they are doing twice the average joe's contribution to society.

It's mind-boggling that there are people who want them punished for that, when it will hurt us all.


I highly suggest you watch the documentary I talked about in my first post. Once you understand how the world banks and the few people in the world who control the world's $$$ work, I don't think you'll have the same opinion.


I would, I assure you.

Michael Moore, Al Gore, and many others have shown why documentaries should be taken with a gain of salt.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:13 AM

It's not done by any of them. I believe it was done by Sony Pictures and doesn't have any celebrities in it or anything like that. It's not one of those types of documentaries. Sorry, but unless you've seen it I don't think you should pass judgement. It's about why there's a world recession and how it got to be that way. You can look it up, but it explains it visually and sometimes it's easier to understand that way. No gimmicks, just reality.

Edited by Claudia, 22 October 2011 - 10:17 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 10:47 AM




The wealthy reinvest their wealth, so with their high taxes and the jobs sustained and created with their investments they are doing twice the average joe's contribution to society.

It's mind-boggling that there are people who want them punished for that, when it will hurt us all.


I highly suggest you watch the documentary I talked about in my first post. Once you understand how the world banks and the few people in the world who control the world's $$$ work, I don't think you'll have the same opinion.


I would, I assure you.



Michael Moore, Al Gore, and many others have shown why documentaries should be taken with a gain of salt.


ITA! I have watched way too many "true documentaries" that you could pull apart entirely if you just used 1 piece of their "evidence" and followed a different path than the "truth" that was followed there.

Money will always corrupt some. It is a fact of human existence. I it is also a fact that others will not be corrupted. There will always be those with wealth and those without. For the MOST part those with wealth provide the most for those without. Through taxation and philanthropy. Those who make the most often give the most. It is also true that in most of the western world we all have equal rights to acquire wealth. Any one of us can work hard and build wealth. Where did this wealth these people are protesting originally come from? Someone working hard and amassing it! If I wanted to I could work my but off and become part of that 1%! I choose not to for many reasons. Every one of us sitting here reading this has that opportunity.

If anyone wants to "help" maybe they should get up off their buts, stop protesting and start DOING. Get themselves into that 1% and give all their earnings away! I doubt we will see that happening though!

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome! We all get out of life what we put in.

Steve Jobs was a College drop out. Adopted by a middle class family who worked their buts off to sent him to University! Obama is the son of a single mother! If you search rags to riches stories you can find hundreds going back generation! People from all ethnicities and all over the world. If they can do it WHY can others not? Because they don't have the drive! Again it is human nature. If you are given something you see no value in it. If you work for it you do. "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will never go hungry". Some don't want to learn. They would rather be given then sit back and complain that others don't give enough because he has less.

Edited by Trea, 22 October 2011 - 10:48 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:21 AM

It's not done by any of them. I believe it was done by Sony Pictures and doesn't have any celebrities in it or anything like that. It's not one of those types of documentaries. Sorry, but unless you've seen it I don't think you should pass judgement. It's about why there's a world recession and how it got to be that way. You can look it up, but it explains it visually and sometimes it's easier to understand that way. No gimmicks, just reality.


You cannot say "no gimmicks, just reality." It just doesn't apply as a fact. You are merely expressing your perceptions of a film created to make you think a certain way. Apparently it was successful.

Anyone can twist anything and make a documentary. There isn't an oversight commitee that oversees the truthfulness of their content.

I could make a documentary tomorrow and announce myself as a cat. I like to lay in the sun. I love having my hair brushed. Snuggling in warm-from-the-dryer laundry can be irresistable. So based on that circumstantial evidence, I could be a cat.

Honestly, that isn't any more ridiculous or far off from any non national geographic animal documentary. They are only created to express the views within the videos, as factual information, and with great liberties.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 11:57 AM





The wealthy reinvest their wealth, so with their high taxes and the jobs sustained and created with their investments they are doing twice the average joe's contribution to society.

It's mind-boggling that there are people who want them punished for that, when it will hurt us all.


I highly suggest you watch the documentary I talked about in my first post. Once you understand how the world banks and the few people in the world who control the world's $$$ work, I don't think you'll have the same opinion.


I would, I assure you.



Michael Moore, Al Gore, and many others have shown why documentaries should be taken with a gain of salt.


ITA! I have watched way too many "true documentaries" that you could pull apart entirely if you just used 1 piece of their "evidence" and followed a different path than the "truth" that was followed there.

Money will always corrupt some. It is a fact of human existence. I it is also a fact that others will not be corrupted. There will always be those with wealth and those without. For the MOST part those with wealth provide the most for those without. Through taxation and philanthropy. Those who make the most often give the most. It is also true that in most of the western world we all have equal rights to acquire wealth. Any one of us can work hard and build wealth. Where did this wealth these people are protesting originally come from? Someone working hard and amassing it! If I wanted to I could work my but off and become part of that 1%! I choose not to for many reasons. Every one of us sitting here reading this has that opportunity.

If anyone wants to "help" maybe they should get up off their buts, stop protesting and start DOING. Get themselves into that 1% and give all their earnings away! I doubt we will see that happening though!

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome! We all get out of life what we put in.

Steve Jobs was a College drop out. Adopted by a middle class family who worked their buts off to sent him to University! Obama is the son of a single mother! If you search rags to riches stories you can find hundreds going back generation! People from all ethnicities and all over the world. If they can do it WHY can others not? Because they don't have the drive! Again it is human nature. If you are given something you see no value in it. If you work for it you do. "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will never go hungry". Some don't want to learn. They would rather be given then sit back and complain that others don't give enough because he has less.


It's the easiest way to get someone to agree to your (documentary) view point too.

People don't want to believe that they are responsible for their own futures. They would much rather jump on a band wagon to burn someone else at the metaphorical stake then admit they placed themselves where they are.

I totally agree with you, no matter the environment you come from in North America there are always options available. I can admit I'm lazy and not willing to work that hard to get to the top. It doesn't mean that much to me. But I'm sure as hell not going to rebel against those who do keep society going, or use them as a scapegoat for why I'm not affluent myself.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:13 PM

What I believe in does NOT just come from one documentary. I've done a lot of research and I'm not stupid enough to fall for one single film and have it change my whole perception on how things work. I was merely saying that it explains how world banks attain much of the world's wealth and why that is detrimental to the rest of us. I'm not trying to bash hard working people, this isn't what this is about. If you work hard, you get what you deserve. But getting massive amounts of wealth at the expense of others isn't right, no matter what it is you've done to get the $$$ you have. That's the issue. I simply tried to give my opinion and I believe I'm entitled to it. That's all I'll add to this thread.

Edited by Claudia, 22 October 2011 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 02:20 PM

What I believe in does NOT just come from one documentary. I've done a lot of research and I'm not stupid enough to fall for one single film and have it change my whole perception on how things work. I was merely saying that it explains how world banks attain much of the world's wealth and why that is detrimental to the rest of us. I'm not trying to bash hard working people, this isn't what this is about. If you work hard, you get what you deserve. But getting massive amounts of wealth at the expense of others isn't right, no matter what it is you've done to get the $$$ you have. That's the issue. I simply tried to give my opinion and I believe I'm entitled to it. That's all I'll add to this thread.


Every profit is at the expense of someone else if you follow it to its root.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:18 PM

Working hard and earning lots of money is not the same as corruption. Claudia and I are talking apples and you guys are talking oranges.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 03:24 PM

Orange'you glad we didn't say banana?

I'm sorry, I don't know why I couldn't stop myself from submitting this post.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 05:53 PM

I've been involved in the Occupy Toronto movement this week. The way the world is currently set up is detrimental to us. Period. I believe that the occupy movements worldwide are a positive step in the right direction towards more equal distribution of wealth. Most people are pretty frustrated with a system that benefits the rich and exploits the middle class and poor, and it's not getting any better. Income disparity in Canada has risen tremendously, especially the racialized income gap. Poverty has grown tremendously, and there is a need for economic equality for everyone and a need to eliminate corporate and "elite" influence over gov't regulation.

The whole idea behind people not getting ahead because they are lazy is bull if you ask me. I know people with Ph.D.s that are not finding work that can provide them with a decent life, and these people did everything "right". I also know people that work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs just to put food on the table and keep a roof over their children's heads. I've reviewed many academic studies that have shown that the vast majority of low income people have jobs, but they are systemically kept poor because the wages are so low, and they can never get ahead. They live hand to mouth. People are working hard, and not reaping the benefits of their hard work.

This is not a movement that just popped up over night, this frustration has been mounting for decades - think deindustralization or the rise of neo-liberal ideologies... but, I digress.

There are SOOOO many issues, and I find it upsetting that so many people scoff at this movement, as this affects you, your children and everyone that you know. Unless someone here is part of that 1%, then there will be big problems... maybe not for you, but your children if we can't get things in check. How can people go against what is in their own best interests, and for the best interests for society as a whole? How can we live in an age where corporations and profit matter more than people? How can we stand by and let certain people be exempt from the law, but everyone else has to abide by it?

And for the record, I'm not a communist, or a "hippie". I'm just someone who has spent the last 6 years getting two degrees, and now a masters in this. I've done plenty of research and the numbers don't lie.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 07:27 PM

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i go there and support them every chance i get i also drop off donations of sleeping bags and stuff they need

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 07:35 PM

I've been involved in the Occupy Toronto movement this week. The way the world is currently set up is detrimental to us. Period. I believe that the occupy movements worldwide are a positive step in the right direction towards more equal distribution of wealth. Most people are pretty frustrated with a system that benefits the rich and exploits the middle class and poor, and it's not getting any better. Income disparity in Canada has risen tremendously, especially the racialized income gap. Poverty has grown tremendously, and there is a need for economic equality for everyone and a need to eliminate corporate and "elite" influence over gov't regulation.

The whole idea behind people not getting ahead because they are lazy is bull if you ask me. I know people with Ph.D.s that are not finding work that can provide them with a decent life, and these people did everything "right". I also know people that work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs just to put food on the table and keep a roof over their children's heads. I've reviewed many academic studies that have shown that the vast majority of low income people have jobs, but they are systemically kept poor because the wages are so low, and they can never get ahead. They live hand to mouth. People are working hard, and not reaping the benefits of their hard work.

This is not a movement that just popped up over night, this frustration has been mounting for decades - think deindustralization or the rise of neo-liberal ideologies... but, I digress.

There are SOOOO many issues, and I find it upsetting that so many people scoff at this movement, as this affects you, your children and everyone that you know. Unless someone here is part of that 1%, then there will be big problems... maybe not for you, but your children if we can't get things in check. How can people go against what is in their own best interests, and for the best interests for society as a whole? How can we live in an age where corporations and profit matter more than people? How can we stand by and let certain people be exempt from the law, but everyone else has to abide by it?

And for the record, I'm not a communist, or a "hippie". I'm just someone who has spent the last 6 years getting two degrees, and now a masters in this. I've done plenty of research and the numbers don't lie.


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 07:59 PM

Good for you Sourpickle. My family is one for which you speak of-- I work full time for a decent wage. DH is a small bus owner who works long hours for less pay than he made working for someone else. We live pretty much paycheque to paycheque. I do see what you stated as being a huge problem. But the entire money system is a huge problem- money used to be backed by gold. It no longer is. So they just keep printing off money- it is crazy. I am very interested to see where this all goes. Seeing unrest in other countries and now the rumblings over here was well. This is growing and growing into something really tangible and I hope some major changes will be made.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 08:36 PM

Good for you Sourpickle. My family is one for which you speak of-- I work full time for a decent wage. DH is a small bus owner who works long hours for less pay than he made working for someone else. We live pretty much paycheque to paycheque. I do see what you stated as being a huge problem. But the entire money system is a huge problem- money used to be backed by gold. It no longer is. So they just keep printing off money- it is crazy. I am very interested to see where this all goes. Seeing unrest in other countries and now the rumblings over here was well. This is growing and growing into something really tangible and I hope some major changes will be made.


We're in the same position, living paycheque to paycheque, and I worry for my family's future.

ITA about the monetary system, which is absolutely infuriating and most definitely part of the long list of issues. We're (Canada, USA, pretty much all countries) living off printed money and it's totally unsustainable. I mean, at least with gold backing your currency it actually has a value.

Like you, I'm curious to see where this goes.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:19 PM

I've been involved in the Occupy Toronto movement this week. The way the world is currently set up is detrimental to us. Period. I believe that the occupy movements worldwide are a positive step in the right direction towards more equal distribution of wealth. Most people are pretty frustrated with a system that benefits the rich and exploits the middle class and poor, and it's not getting any better. Income disparity in Canada has risen tremendously, especially the racialized income gap. Poverty has grown tremendously, and there is a need for economic equality for everyone and a need to eliminate corporate and "elite" influence over gov't regulation.

The whole idea behind people not getting ahead because they are lazy is bull if you ask me. I know people with Ph.D.s that are not finding work that can provide them with a decent life, and these people did everything "right". I also know people that work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs just to put food on the table and keep a roof over their children's heads. I've reviewed many academic studies that have shown that the vast majority of low income people have jobs, but they are systemically kept poor because the wages are so low, and they can never get ahead. They live hand to mouth. People are working hard, and not reaping the benefits of their hard work.

This is not a movement that just popped up over night, this frustration has been mounting for decades - think deindustralization or the rise of neo-liberal ideologies... but, I digress.

There are SOOOO many issues, and I find it upsetting that so many people scoff at this movement, as this affects you, your children and everyone that you know. Unless someone here is part of that 1%, then there will be big problems... maybe not for you, but your children if we can't get things in check. How can people go against what is in their own best interests, and for the best interests for society as a whole? How can we live in an age where corporations and profit matter more than people? How can we stand by and let certain people be exempt from the law, but everyone else has to abide by it?

And for the record, I'm not a communist, or a "hippie". I'm just someone who has spent the last 6 years getting two degrees, and now a masters in this. I've done plenty of research and the numbers don't lie.




Good for you Sourpickle. My family is one for which you speak of-- I work full time for a decent wage. DH is a small bus owner who works long hours for less pay than he made working for someone else. We live pretty much paycheque to paycheque. I do see what you stated as being a huge problem. But the entire money system is a huge problem- money used to be backed by gold. It no longer is. So they just keep printing off money- it is crazy. I am very interested to see where this all goes. Seeing unrest in other countries and now the rumblings over here was well. This is growing and growing into something really tangible and I hope some major changes will be made.


We're in the same position, living paycheque to paycheque, and I worry for my family's future.

ITA about the monetary system, which is absolutely infuriating and most definitely part of the long list of issues. We're (Canada, USA, pretty much all countries) living off printed money and it's totally unsustainable. I mean, at least with gold backing your currency it actually has a value.

Like you, I'm curious to see where this goes.


These posts are so refreshing to read. I agree with everything you both have said.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:06 AM

I live paycheque to paycheque also. But, I know it is of my own choosing. I could work more, I could work 2 jobs, I could get more education in a paying field. (Having a PhD does not mean you have one in something "worth" having).

If it was impossible to get ahead in society it would never be done. The fact is if you have the drive to do so you can. The proof is in the fact that some people do. These people were not given super powers, they were not handed things on platters and they did not start of with some rich benefactor. Oprah...."dirt floor po". Jobs...adopted by a middle class family and university drop out. There are thousands of stories of people who have "gotten out" and made something of themselves. They may not all be billionaires but, they succeed in making money and are not "systematically kept poor" because they don't allow themselves to be seen a victims of society. Instead of complaining they don't get enough hand outs they go out and find what they need. Some even resort to out right begging.


It is not apples and oranges. Those people started somewhere. Evey one of them. Anyone who makes money must step on some toes. It is what you do when you get to the top that matters.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:34 AM

I do not agree at all. I live the way I do partly by choosing of course. But people should not have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. I am not willing to work more or harder and sacrifice my family for money. And education really means nothing IMO these days-- so I supposed I agree that with hard work anything can be accomplished. But the mentality that you need all this education to get a good job is total bullshit. And yeah- I could work and work and work-- but at what sacrifice. I already see dh doing this being self employed-- and for what??? I, in all honesty and truth cannot think of even 1 good thing that working for yourself brings--- well, aside from not being in jeopardy of being fired LOL. He will tell you the same thing. So he works and works and works and makes himself sick with stress because there are no other jobs out there at the moment in his field. And what is the sacrifice-- his health, his family life,m his children. Is that really worth it???
Students are paying huge amounts of money for a 'degree' in which they will not find a job. And then guess what-- the more ed you have the less likely you are to find a job-- that is the truth.
So we are overworked, lots are underpaid. We have companies like Monsanto raping our food supply for profit. And our money is based on thin air. We have to step back and ask ourselves if that is the world we want for our children-- I can assure you that for me it is not

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:41 PM

I do not agree at all. I live the way I do partly by choosing of course. But people should not have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. I am not willing to work more or harder and sacrifice my family for money. And education really means nothing IMO these days-- so I supposed I agree that with hard work anything can be accomplished. But the mentality that you need all this education to get a good job is total bullshit. And yeah- I could work and work and work-- but at what sacrifice. I already see dh doing this being self employed-- and for what??? I, in all honesty and truth cannot think of even 1 good thing that working for yourself brings--- well, aside from not being in jeopardy of being fired LOL. He will tell you the same thing. So he works and works and works and makes himself sick with stress because there are no other jobs out there at the moment in his field. And what is the sacrifice-- his health, his family life,m his children. Is that really worth it???
Students are paying huge amounts of money for a 'degree' in which they will not find a job. And then guess what-- the more ed you have the less likely you are to find a job-- that is the truth.
So we are overworked, lots are underpaid. We have companies like Monsanto raping our food supply for profit. And our money is based on thin air. We have to step back and ask ourselves if that is the world we want for our children-- I can assure you that for me it is not


I agree that more education is not needed to get a high paying job. We all are given talents. It is up to us to find those talents and use them better ourselves.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:23 PM


I do not agree at all. I live the way I do partly by choosing of course. But people should not have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. I am not willing to work more or harder and sacrifice my family for money. And education really means nothing IMO these days-- so I supposed I agree that with hard work anything can be accomplished. But the mentality that you need all this education to get a good job is total bullshit. And yeah- I could work and work and work-- but at what sacrifice. I already see dh doing this being self employed-- and for what??? I, in all honesty and truth cannot think of even 1 good thing that working for yourself brings--- well, aside from not being in jeopardy of being fired LOL. He will tell you the same thing. So he works and works and works and makes himself sick with stress because there are no other jobs out there at the moment in his field. And what is the sacrifice-- his health, his family life,m his children. Is that really worth it???
Students are paying huge amounts of money for a 'degree' in which they will not find a job. And then guess what-- the more ed you have the less likely you are to find a job-- that is the truth.
So we are overworked, lots are underpaid. We have companies like Monsanto raping our food supply for profit. And our money is based on thin air. We have to step back and ask ourselves if that is the world we want for our children-- I can assure you that for me it is not


I agree that more education is not needed to get a high paying job. We all are given talents. It is up to us to find those talents and use them better ourselves.

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There is a big difference between more education and "smarter" education. Many candadians enter post secondary school without doing any research into the potential employment once a degree in obtained. Getting the RIGHT degree makes all the difference in the world.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:18 PM

I live paycheque to paycheque also. But, I know it is of my own choosing. I could work more, I could work 2 jobs, I could get more education in a paying field. (Having a PhD does not mean you have one in something "worth" having).

If it was impossible to get ahead in society it would never be done. The fact is if you have the drive to do so you can. The proof is in the fact that some people do. These people were not given super powers, they were not handed things on platters and they did not start of with some rich benefactor. Oprah...."dirt floor po". Jobs...adopted by a middle class family and university drop out. There are thousands of stories of people who have "gotten out" and made something of themselves. They may not all be billionaires but, they succeed in making money and are not "systematically kept poor" because they don't allow themselves to be seen a victims of society. Instead of complaining they don't get enough hand outs they go out and find what they need. Some even resort to out right begging.


It is not apples and oranges. Those people started somewhere. Evey one of them. Anyone who makes money must step on some toes. It is what you do when you get to the top that matters.


Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he will never go hungry.
You reap what you sow

These three things I live by!



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Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he will never go hungry.
You reap what you sow


This should be on banners all over the city, outside the 400 bulding and on school grounds to remind people everyday that THEY can make choices that will provide them with a better outcome rather than complaining about what they don't have and what everyone else does!