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#1 jenny

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 03:56 PM

I am so angry with this. Why why why do people think they are ok to drive? And you know what the sick part is...the guy is out of custody ALREADY. Are you kidding me?

Definately sending my prayers to the family of the victims. :(

http://blogs.windsor...icle-collision/

A 44-year-old Michigan woman is dead and her eight-year-old daughter remains in critical condition following a two-vehicle crash in Tecumseh on New Year’s Eve.

The woman succumbed to her injuries around 10 p.m. Saturday.

The girl has been transferred to a Michigan hospital for emergency surgery.

OPP said the other members of the family — a 44-year-old man and two other children (ages 2 and 5) — suffered non life-threatening injuries and are expected to recover.

Provincial police have charged the 27-year-old driver of the other vehicle involved in the collision with impaired driving.

The accident happened around 2:30 p.m. at Walker Road and South Talbot Road.

An Ann Arbor family of five were travelling in a black 2003 Acura SUV.

They were struck by a brown Chevy pick-up truck.

The impact hurled both vehicles into a ditch, with the Acura taking the worst of the damage on its passenger side.

A nearby resident witnessed the accident.

“I heard tires squealing and then a loud bang,” said the witness, who only wanted to be identified by the first name Steve.

Steve said he ran to the ditch and could hear children wailing from the backseat of the SUV.

The eight-year-old girl had her head down and wasn’t responding.

“Her legs looked crushed,” Steve said. “There was quite a lot of blood.”

Steve said he held the girl’s head up and saw that she was still breathing.

Multiple firefighting, ambulance and OPP units were sent to the scene.

Police escorted the girl’s ambulance to hurry its journey to hospital.

Meanwhile, the male driver of the pick-up truck had only minor injuries.

OPP questioned the 27-year-old man, then took him into custody.

He now faces one count of impaired operation of a motor vehicle and one count of driving with a blood alcohol level over 80 mg.

At press time, he’d been released from custody.

Police have not issued the names of anyone involved in the accident.

The intersection was closed for several hours after the crash.

Steve said it looked like the pick-up truck was heading south on Walker Road, and the family’s SUV was westbound on South Talbot Road.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 04:01 PM

yes i am furious as well
and to top it off he will hardly get anything for killing the woman and the daughter may die as well
there really needs to be harsher sentences for people that kill because they are drunk behind the wheel

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 04:29 PM

This makes me so angry as well. These kind of things are not accidents, everyone knows drinking and driving is dangerous and yet people still do it! He gets off with a few minor cuts and bruises and a woman is dead and a child may die as well. Now they let him go out of custody when he should be locked up

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 04:36 PM

Most states in the United States have a vehicular manslaughter charge, but I dont think there is such a charge in the Canadian Criminal Code, but there certainly should be.

This absolutely infuriates me. That poor family has been devastated and this bastard is out and about and will probably get little more than a 'naught naughty' slap on the wrist. At the very least i hope the bugger loses his license for life. Absolutely disgusting. He should be charged with manslaughter. Anyone who drinks and drives and kills should be charged with manslaughter.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 04:39 PM

What a horrible story - I felt so bad when I read it earlier today - that poor family - those children are going to live with those memories forever without their mother.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:04 PM

I was saddened to learn the mom died, I read the article on the accident last night, seriously, drunk drivers should all be shot in the head. Just my 2 cents. :(

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:15 PM

Most states in the United States have a vehicular manslaughter charge, but I dont think there is such a charge in the Canadian Criminal Code, but there certainly should be.

This absolutely infuriates me. That poor family has been devastated and this bastard is out and about and will probably get little more than a 'naught naughty' slap on the wrist. At the very least i hope the bugger loses his license for life. Absolutely disgusting. He should be charged with manslaughter. Anyone who drinks and drives and kills should be charged with manslaughter.

I believe we have dangerous operation causing death which it would fall under as well.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:20 PM


Most states in the United States have a vehicular manslaughter charge, but I dont think there is such a charge in the Canadian Criminal Code, but there certainly should be.

This absolutely infuriates me. That poor family has been devastated and this bastard is out and about and will probably get little more than a 'naught naughty' slap on the wrist. At the very least i hope the bugger loses his license for life. Absolutely disgusting. He should be charged with manslaughter. Anyone who drinks and drives and kills should be charged with manslaughter.

I believe we have dangerous operation causing death which it would fall under as well.



its not the same thing though and over here carries a lot less of a sentence

if you accidently kill someone any other way you get charged with manslaughter
i just dont get why the same does not apply if you do it driving drunk
ETA actually i dont even think it should be manslaughter in my eyes it is first degree murder you INTENTIONALLY get in a car to drive knowing you are drunk

Edited by sherri, 01 January 2012 - 05:22 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:23 PM

I will have to ask my neighbour who is a police officer, I know the dangerous operation causing death can give a prison sentance of up to 14 years.

We also have a charge of impaired driving causing death which is the same punishment, prison up to 14 years.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:24 PM



Most states in the United States have a vehicular manslaughter charge, but I dont think there is such a charge in the Canadian Criminal Code, but there certainly should be.

This absolutely infuriates me. That poor family has been devastated and this bastard is out and about and will probably get little more than a 'naught naughty' slap on the wrist. At the very least i hope the bugger loses his license for life. Absolutely disgusting. He should be charged with manslaughter. Anyone who drinks and drives and kills should be charged with manslaughter.

I believe we have dangerous operation causing death which it would fall under as well.



its not the same thing though and over here carries a lot less of a sentence

if you accidently kill someone any other way you get charged with manslaughter
i just dont get why the same does not apply if you do it driving drunk
ETA actually i dont even think it should be manslaughter in my eyes it is first degree murder you INTENTIONALLY get in a car to drive knowing you are drunk

It cant be first degree murder, first degree is premeditated..
I am sure they will charge him with impaired driving causing death for the mother, and if the child dies as well, then hopefully they will nail him for that as well.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:48 PM




Most states in the United States have a vehicular manslaughter charge, but I dont think there is such a charge in the Canadian Criminal Code, but there certainly should be.

This absolutely infuriates me. That poor family has been devastated and this bastard is out and about and will probably get little more than a 'naught naughty' slap on the wrist. At the very least i hope the bugger loses his license for life. Absolutely disgusting. He should be charged with manslaughter. Anyone who drinks and drives and kills should be charged with manslaughter.

I believe we have dangerous operation causing death which it would fall under as well.



its not the same thing though and over here carries a lot less of a sentence

if you accidently kill someone any other way you get charged with manslaughter
i just dont get why the same does not apply if you do it driving drunk
ETA actually i dont even think it should be manslaughter in my eyes it is first degree murder you INTENTIONALLY get in a car to drive knowing you are drunk

It cant be first degree murder, first degree is premeditated..
I am sure they will charge him with impaired driving causing death for the mother, and if the child dies as well, then hopefully they will nail him for that as well.



if you drink then drive imo that is premeditation

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:01 PM

Premeditation in regards to 1st degree murder refers to actually planning on killing a specific person and carrying out that action. It would be impossible for him to be charged with 1st degree murder...

I'm disgusted that he was released and feel absolutely terrible for that poor family. My eyes welled up with tears reading that article. My thoughts and prayers are with them all. I hope that man gets his license suspended for life and receives the top sentence available for whatever it is they charge him for.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

Premeditation in regards to 1st degree murder refers to actually planning on killing a specific person and carrying out that action. It would be impossible for him to be charged with 1st degree murder...



there have been many charges laid for first degree murder that do not fall into that criteria
they are charged then its dropped to a lesser charge

in deaths caused by drinking and driving they are charged with a low charge to begin with and end up getting hardly any sentence at all
if our system would start cracking down on this and giving people stiffer sentences maybe it would be a deterrent instead of the joke it is currently

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:36 PM

Earlier reports said that he was southbound on Walker they where crossing walker at south Talbot rd. He may have been drinking and Driving but They crossed in front of Him. I would say they are both at fault. It's very sad that they lost a loved one and very sad the child is hurt. But think people are jumping to Conclusions before the whole story is out.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

I read the early article yesturday and felt so sad. I was actually driving not far from where this happened when the emergency vehicles where responding. So sad :( Canadas criminal code charge regarding this sort of accident is dangerous operation causing death which can sentence the driver up to 14 years. People have been rallying for years now for Canada to amend the criminal code to have vehicular manslaughter charges for alcohol related accidents that result in death, but so far nothing has changed. Its absolutely appalling!!!! I feel so sad for that family, not a nice way to start the new year, especially knowing that the Canadian justice system will likely fail them and this man will be back driving within the next five years :(

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:47 PM

My friend told me about this last night, apparently it is their neighbour n he gas driven drunk plenty of times:( U hope the f'r rots in hell!!! Soo sad

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 07:06 PM

Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.

The SUV did not have the right away by the way the story reads.

It is tragic. People should not drink and drive.

BUt you wonder, would the outcome have been any different if someone else hit them at that speed?

That corner is deadly, they need a light there or a round about or something. Someone else died there before.

Praying for all involved.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 07:26 PM

Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.


they did it was over 80mg


after re reading the article and knowing that intersection i guess that they cannot charge him with the moms death as he had the right of way

i still feel the same though about drinking and driving causing a death
i also feel driking and driving itself needs stiffer sentences

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 07:44 PM

Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.

The SUV did not have the right away by the way the story reads.

It is tragic. People should not drink and drive.

BUt you wonder, would the outcome have been any different if someone else hit them at that speed?

That corner is deadly, they need a light there or a round about or something. Someone else died there before.

Praying for all involved.


I think that had he not been drunk, he probably could have reacted a bit better. Since he hit the passenger side, that means the SUV would have had to cross the other lane first, so you should been able to see it.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:07 PM

I think he was let out because he did not cause the accident. Apparently the SUV ran the stop sign. None the less he was still under the influence, and it makes me sad to know someone lost their life. My friend was killed by a drunk driver while riding his bike home... I will never forgive them. I think its selfish and disgusting that people can think they are invisible when they drink. One, two or three drinks is still too many to have and then get behind the wheel of a car...

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:15 PM

Earlier reports said that he was southbound on Walker they where crossing walker at south Talbot rd. He may have been drinking and Driving but They crossed in front of Him. I would say they are both at fault. It's very sad that they lost a loved one and very sad the child is hurt. But think people are jumping to Conclusions before the whole story is out.




Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.

The SUV did not have the right away by the way the story reads.

It is tragic. People should not drink and drive.

BUt you wonder, would the outcome have been any different if someone else hit them at that speed?

That corner is deadly, they need a light there or a round about or something. Someone else died there before.

Praying for all involved.


I think that had he not been drunk, he probably could have reacted a bit better. Since he hit the passenger side, that means the SUV would have had to cross the other lane first, so you should been able to see it.


Exactly. If he wasn't impaired he could have prevented the accident...I don't even want to call it an accident...cause it could have been prevented...but if he was completely sober he could have prevented hitting it. So even though both "may" be at fault he should still be charged with more than impaired driving. And I'm sorry but to be out in less the a day on this charge is completely ridiculous especially on a holiday. I can't stop thinking about this family and these young children who now have to live without their mom.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:27 PM

How can you say, he could have prevented it. I cross that intersection everyday and it is dangerous. At 80 km/hr there is no saying he could have prevented anything.

Still should not have been drinking and driving, and like I said they should post his alcohol levels. They have changed the rules now and to be at that amount, I thought 1 drink could give you that reading. Maybe he blew the machine up real high. He should not have been driving.

But needless to say, he may have passed that intersection and proceeded home safely if the SUV did not pull out into his path.

No one can predict what would have happened.

It is a terrible tragedy and they need to revisit that intersection for safety.

Edited by mysticmom, 01 January 2012 - 09:28 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

I agree with you Jenny, BUT.... even if he was stone cold sober it may still have happened. My uncle hit a car head on that ran a stop sign, he had no where to turn and by the time he saw the car and slammed on the breaks it was too late... So it may still have happened, even if he was wasnt impaired. People just don't think... I will not drive after having one beer.. I will wait it out for a couple hours or ride with a DD, I do not get behind the wheel. Both of these families are forever ruined.

Edited by Gillian, 01 January 2012 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:32 PM

BAC


2 drinks can make you .08. But most people are not drunk from 2 drinks.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 09:59 PM


Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.

The SUV did not have the right away by the way the story reads.

It is tragic. People should not drink and drive.

BUt you wonder, would the outcome have been any different if someone else hit them at that speed?

That corner is deadly, they need a light there or a round about or something. Someone else died there before.

Praying for all involved.


I think that had he not been drunk, he probably could have reacted a bit better. Since he hit the passenger side, that means the SUV would have had to cross the other lane first, so you should been able to see it.



It does not make sense, if he was going southbound that is toward McGregor, and if they were Westbound that is toward Manning Rd. How could he hit the passenger side? The driver side would have been on his side.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 10:07 PM

I think westbound would have been towards Howard, no?

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 10:12 PM

Ok, yes, I was wondering how that made sense, I was mixed up. Thanks Lisa! Makes perfect sense now. Crazy corner, they should do something about it.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 10:39 PM

I dont think its fair to say had he not been drinking he could have prevented the accident. Sadly the fault of the accident remains with the person who ran the stop sign, or pulled out infront of the other driver. It really is just speculation on whether or not the driver could have reacted and prevented the accident. Sadly someone has lost their life, and both drivers will be impacted for the rest of their lives. I do not believe in drinking and driving, but I also think its unfair to put the onus on him to be the one that could have prevented the accident. Yes there is a possibility that had he not been drinking he may have been able to react, but it isnt his fault the other driver pulled out. He has been charged correctly imo.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 11:19 PM

I never said he could have prevented the accident had he not been drinking. I do think that his reaction time could have been better, and perhaps he might have been able to stop or slow down or swerve.

I don't see how that intersection is a dangerous one? We use it on a daily basis, and it't not more dangerous than any other intersection in the county.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 11:40 PM

Is the stop sign the father ran through partially hidden? What would be the likely cause of that?

If the drunk driver didn't cause the accident, then I don't see how he could be charged for the deaths. Most definitely should get pegged real hard for drunk driving, but his actions didn't cause the deaths.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:30 AM

Oh wow didn't realize how that intersection worked... I don't go that way too often. Even though his blood alcohol level was above the legal limit this is a horrible incident and I feel terrible for all involved. He should have never gotten behind the wheel of his car even if he only had one drink... but by the sounds of it perhaps this would have still occurred, seeing as how the family ran the stop sign. I still think he needs to be punished for driving impaired though, and a slap on the wrist probably won't deter him from doing it again... which is very likely what will happen. Ugh. I hope I'm wrong. I still feel terrible for the family who lost their wife/mother and possibly the daughter too. Very, very sad and unfortunate.

Edited by Claudia, 02 January 2012 - 12:30 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2012 - 09:04 AM

I never seen anything about the family running the stop sign

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 09:33 AM

My main issue with this is how so many people jump to conclusions and judgements without full information. I have and will drive if I have had one drink. I don't believe most people who say the word "never" in regards to anything.

Media does not give all the pertinent information. Unless you have read the accident report you do not know his BAC, the conditions and what actually happened.

I had a car pull out in front off me while driving my F150. The car was totaled, my truck needed a new front end. I was traveling about 40km/h! I had not been drinking and my reaction time was normal for me. There was no way I could have not hit the car. I managed to not hit the passenger cabin because of many different, combined reasons. I got a badly sprained wrist, the woman in the car sustained a few bruises. My point...the difference between a "minor" and a "tragic" accident is not much.

I agree this is a horrible tragedy. I hope someone is held responsible for the death of that woman. I hope the driver of the truck is held responsible for his drinking and driving.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 09:45 AM

I know the intersection really well. Stop sign on both sides are very visible. The westbound lane on with talbot is even set back a little from walker because of the other road that used to be there, that has since been closed, kinda protects it. So if the family didn't run the stop sign the guy driving the truck was on the wrong side of the road and almost in the ditch. I'm not saying that it's entirely the families fault for not stopping, if that is the case. I've almost been in several accidents at that intersection. It is dangerous. But since they closed the 3rd road there have been fewer accidents. They definitely need to revisit the safety of the intersection. This is a horrible tragedy and my heart goes out to the family and to the man who hit them.

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:19 AM

No one said they ran the stop sign, but the story said the family was travelling on South Talbot. SOuth Talbot is not a through way.
Possibly they were stopped at the stop sign and he crossed the lane and rammed into them? Then he would be responsible for the death if they were stopped. But if they had pulled out to cross Walker Road and he was driving in his lane and hit them, then that changes circumstances. Maybe they will release more information.

Jen Uh Fur, no one said you said it could have been prevented, that was directed at Jenny's comment:

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canadianangel, on 01 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:


Earlier reports said that he was southbound on Walker they where crossing walker at south Talbot rd. He may have been drinking and Driving but They crossed in front of Him. I would say they are both at fault. It's very sad that they lost a loved one and very sad the child is hurt. But think people are jumping to Conclusions before the whole story is out.





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mysticmom, on 01 January 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:


Impaired can be 1 drink or many, they should post the blood alcohol content.

The SUV did not have the right away by the way the story reads.

It is tragic. People should not drink and drive.

BUt you wonder, would the outcome have been any different if someone else hit them at that speed?

That corner is deadly, they need a light there or a round about or something. Someone else died there before.

Praying for all involved.



I think that had he not been drunk, he probably could have reacted a bit better. Since he hit the passenger side, that means the SUV would have had to cross the other lane first, so you should been able to see it.


Exactly. If he wasn't impaired he could have prevented the accident...I don't even want to call it an accident...cause it could have been prevented...but if he was completely sober he could have prevented hitting it. So even though both "may" be at fault he should still be charged with more than impaired driving. And I'm sorry but to be out in less the a day on this charge is completely ridiculous especially on a holiday. I can't stop thinking about this family and these young children who now have to live without their mom.

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